derrick jensen

he is radical--pushing ideas that threaten the status quo
he observes the defeatist narrative as the easiest to sell--sells itself
Tia said 'i am the benefactor of industrial civilizations--what am i going to do with it?' (what this reveals is an empowerment and a way forward vs gulping down defeatist narrative)

problematic language
development
sustainable
waste (has been conflated with shame)
subject/verb/object
post-industrial digital age
that bodies end / compartmentalizing bodies/places/ideas

all of our waste products have to be food to someone else (think about artist statements)
like michael pollan's Eat food. Not too much. Mostly..... that if you eat a lot of meat you're probably not eating a lot of vegetables. 

what is the comic book version of a complicated narrative?  and how can that be not dumbed down?

bathtub metaphor for water running over -- greek tragedy / kafka parables
letting parables or narratives flower unpreditably as an artistic strategy?
archimedes body in bathtub (volume displacement - eureeka)

bertholt brecht - art is not a mirror held up to society but a hammer with which to shape it
allienation effect - the strategy of reminding viewer they are being mediated to...

all writers are propagandists
everyone is a propagandist?

does the technology allow people to become more autonomous and fulfilled, or does it require giving up autonomy for a hierarchical/centralized force?  (train system and nuclear energy given as examples)

how do you defend your community?  how do you live with centralized technologies?  

things that art can do /according to DJ:
VALUES - to teach us social values (example of indigenous sculpture: salmon/orcha/sea-lion (where does one end and the other begin?
TOGETHERNESS - like any other religious experience, coming together as a community
ECSTASTY-we are ecstasy deprived, we abuse sex etc
DIVINE-god/ the mystery/salmon/whatever....something larger than ourselves

artists need to tell different stories (even pre-emptively as opposed to for the present)
  (example of hollywood rape fantasy, many stories are police-state propaganda, the "just this once we have to fight dirty" (examples vietnam, war on terror, economic growth is good, art is something that should be sold, art is personal vs social, dancing as sublimated sex vs friendship or harvest or togetherness, peacemaking etc, 

culture of resistance:
only 2% of army actually fights, also example of IRA activist
can artists be a brick in the pyramid of resistance?  how do we contribute?

is abstraction a double bind (catch22)? (example of al gore as archetypal contemp environmentalist is problematic as he still represents the status-quo) 
are we in an omni-cide (whatever we choose is bad)?